"Saw 3-D" Review
The supposed final "Saw" movie.
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Going to see it tonight XD Thanks for the review Brad!
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DAMN, Brad! YOU Got pissed at Saw 3D! Now I want to see this movie to know the level of insanity you ventured to!
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Number one reason Costas Mandylor will never really be cool is Fist of the North Star.
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Agreed Brad, this movie blew. I've always been a fan of the Saw films (except for V and now this one). It's very saddening and infuriating to see the franchise "end" this way.
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i love the saw series and i havent seen this one yet but on the saw 6 commentary (i think its 6), the writers said they have the twist ending for number 9 already written and tobin bell is signed on for 2 more movies(after this one) but who knows
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In Saw 2 when the guy has the key behind his eye. Who do you think did the surgery, and he was limping when he walked over. There was also some hints through the series.
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We saw Costas Mandylor doing surgeries and medical shit too. Sorry, you'll never get me to retract calling bullshit.
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Really? When? Not saying you're wrong but I don't recall ever seeing that.
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Given that he stitches his face back together in 7, he easily could have stitched a passed out man's eyes shut. Not to mention the expertise it would have taken for him to build many of those contraptions himself.
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True but doing it cleanly and correctly is another matter entirely. (Still, he did do a rather nice job on his own face.) That's the only medical/surgical thing I recall him doing in the films. Were there others? His mechanical expertise was established in part five so that shouldn't be surprising.
I'm not saying Gordon was needed. I'd buy both Kramer and Hoffman being able to sew stuff inside people (never once questioned it in six movies, after all). Gordon's involvement doesn't bother me as much as it does Brad. It was unexpected and at first glance does seem odd that he would help Jigsaw after what he put him through (maybe John has a great bedside manner!) but, as we've seen, Amanda did the same thing. Plus, many of the survivors seem to be oddly grateful. Looks like Jigsaw was garnering a bit of a cult among some of his survivors (which is why the two unidentified accomplices with Gordon at the end didn't bug me either). Who knows, maybe the trauma that Gordon went through made him snap. Some kind of Stockholm syndrome perhaps.
Ah well. I enjoyed the movie. I had quite a few issues with it but it didn't piss me off like it did Brad, thankfully.
I do remember being that pissed at the ludicrously stupid final seconds of Bride of Chucky though so I can relate.
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Sewing someone's eyes shut would be easy as hell. If you've watched Dirty Sanchez: The Movie you'd know that a man with no medical expertise whatsoever was able to sew his own mouth shut.
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I guess it's still better than Turkish Saw 3D.
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Wow...saw this on opening night and I did enjoy it a little bit until that horrid ending. C'mon writers give us something better then fucking Gordon being it the "whole time". Bullshit. I REALLY want them to make another one so the series doesnt end on this shit stain.
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No offense with this, Brad. I'm a huge Saw fan, so I thought you should know that not only has it been a year since the events of the first Saw by the time Saw 7 happens, it has been SEVERAL years, which is why they do have many survivors at that point. Canonically, there were traps and tests not even covered in the movies always going on before the first movie and in between each film.
I didn't like the movie either, mostly because it explained nothing important that fans hadn't figured out already years ago. I still want to know what the fuck that opening sequence had to do with anything and how the fuck anyone could set that up in public.
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It did not take place over several years. 2 is a month or so after 1. 3 and 4 are simultaneous,; with 5 picking up where 4 left off, and 6 with where 5 left off, and 7 with 6. Det. Matthews was only missing a short time between 2 and 3. To say this series takes place over several years is like saying an episode of "24" takes place over a week.
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Matthews was missing 6 months between saw 2 and 4
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Exactly. 6 months. Not several years.
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I actually liked the movie but there's a lot wrong with it. The fact that Jigsaw appears to the writer suggests that he wrote his book before Saw 2(which is when Jigsaws identity came out), but I also recall thinking that Jigsaw didnt start becoming famous until Saw 4.....
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Brad there's gonna be 9 of them, they've signed on for them so they'll have 3 trilogy sets.
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I guess you really like saying Costas Mandylor
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Wouldn't you? Say it a few times.
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i never liked those movies
i watched the second one because...just because and i found it boring and stupid.
the characters where blah and jig saw i was like why what is the point of your bullshit leave people alone xD
get laid and shut up besides didn't like have cancer are you telling after that bullshit fest there was another 5 movies and the killer is different now...what ugh no
well sorry you got angry and felt betrayed by one of your favorite movies i felt that way before several times.
one thing tho i am sure that it was better than unborn wow that holy piece of shit of a movie
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There are some things I have to disagree with you about. 1. The survivors in the group are actual survivors from other movies, such as V and VI. 2. I don't think Hoffman could reach the toilet lid and break his foot like Donnie Wahlberg. He doesn't have any source of light and the lid could be too far away for him to reach.
But now that I've had some time to think about it, I honestly think the ending would have been better if Gordon wasn't an accomplice/medical advisor. I mean, yeah it does answer who wrote the note to Hoffman in V, but that's pretty much it. Instead:
I think that Jigsaw should have just dragged him out of the hallway, and drop him off at the hospital. On the tape, he tells him if Gordon wants to guarantee Jigsaw's work will come to an end and no one else will have to go through what he did, Gordon will help him take down Hoffman. Jigsaw tells him about Hoffman and where the bathroom is located, and if something happens to his wife, Jill, then to act immediately. Gordon then tells the other survivors about this hoping they will help him, and two volunteer. And the parts about the three of them kidnapping him and leaving him in the bathroom stays the same.
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Sadly, this is what a lot of the fans (myself included) wanted out of the ending of this series. We wanted Gordon to be 'it the whole time', but we wanted it a lot sooner than this (and it might have happened, if not for the bullshit in court that happened between his actor and Lionsgate).
That aside, someone else mentioned a point I wanted to bring up... But didn't mention it correctly. There were killings that took place Prior to SAW that lasted perhaps a year prior to the series' beginning, and as the series went on more killings began to occur simultaneously as Jigsaw took on more apprentices (assuming many of the Jigsaw survivors became his apprentices, as hinted at by the ending of SAW 3-D by the two pig-masked enigmas helping Gordon). Depending on which sources you follow for this, including the occasionally-considered-canon videogames Konami is now releasing (... -shudder-), there should have been MORE survivors than those seen in the meeting (which had... What? About eight or nine actual survivors? That seems pretty accurate, actually, since some of them appeared in previous films and were shown to survive, such as the case of the girl from Saw Six).
I liked this movie, but the ending did seem a tad tacked on. The game seemed relatively unimportant to the story and just distracted us from the main conflict rather than complementing it. Though, if the intention of this movie was to spike interest in the Konami games that will likely reveal the side-stories of the survivors at the meeting, well...
... Oh, fuck it, it won't spike interest. Who am I kidding? This movie felt too thrown together. As I said before, I got some satisfaction from it, but I can't help but agree with you, Brad... An eighth SAW movie needs to happen. Of course, knowing the trend of Hollywood to remake Horror franchises as soon as they're finished, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a SAW remake sooner rather than later. Now THAT'S a cringe-worthy thought.
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Oh, one last note. 3D Tickets here are ten bucks, so my 'fanrage' might be softened by cheaper ticket prices.
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"I liked this movie, but the ending did seem a tad tacked on. The game seemed relatively unimportant to the story and just distracted us from the main conflict rather than complementing it"
I liked that, it showed that Hoffman didn't give a shit about the game anymore and just was out for revenge.
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If THAT were true, then what the hell was with the overly-elaborate 'slap to the face' trap at the end of the game (Which, by the way, looked INCREDIBLY FAKE in terms of how SAW traps looked)? If he didn't care about the game anymore, he wouldn't have actually set one up to distract the cops. He could have used footage from an older game and fed it into his systems, giving the cops hints that would point to the location of said older game in the same vein as what Amanda and John Kramer did in SAW II. Furthermore, if Hoffman didn't care about the game, he could have used a bit more of his creativity to kill off more of the police force.
Speaking of 'nine police employees killed' was what one of the news reports said towards the film's end. I call BULLSHIT. Hoffman went nuts in the last bit of the movie, stabbed a few people, and even used poison gas to kill at least five members of SWAT. At LEAST.
Here's another thing that would have been a nice possibility, and what I predicted. I thought Hoffman had nothing to do with the game that had been initiated. I thought it was the work of Dr. Gordon, whom I knew would be exposed as a Jigsaw Apprentice (the signs were just too obvious throughout the preceding movies, especially when Jill dropped the tape at the medical office in 6). I mean, think about it: it made more sense for Dr. Gordon to create that sort of scenario as he seemed so incredibly begrudging of the 'protagonist' of the movie's trap plot from the very moment the two crossed paths. I in fact found myself calling 'bullshit' when it turned out Gordon wasn't involved with that series of traps, as it was so heavily implied by his hostility during his earlier scenes.
Then again, this is coming from someone whom expected the ending Saw 3D provided, and was actually hoping for something similar (albeit an ending that should have been better-explained. Part of me wants SAW 8 for the sake of adding a bit more depth to Gordon, rather than his simple 'acceptance'. What happened to his family after the events of SAW, anyway, that would drive him to believe he needed to do this? Something must have).
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I went with my brother to see it over the weekend. First time I saw one of the SAW's in the theater. $16.50 for a ticket. 3D is such a ripoff. 2D would have been just as fine. I laughed through most of it. Yeah it was dumb, but it's mainstream horror. What else would you expect.
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So no one's going to comment on Chester Bennington's death? I haven't gone yet, but that would be my biggest reason for going.
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It's funny.... all the movies you like SUCK and all the movies you hate are AMAZING...
SO I TAKE IT THIS FILM WILL RULE!!!
by the way PARANORMAL ACTIVITY 2 SUCKED!!!!
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Yeah yeah, go watch baby rape and jerk off.
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One word: win. On topic, I personally have never been a fan of Saw in general. Now I do like the first film for what it was but for me the series has outstayed it's welcome.
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I may be alone on this, but I still think "Saw" shouldn't have been a franchise. The first film stood well on its own, had its own quite good twist ending and that was that. One sequel, maybe. But a series? There was no potential for a series in this concept and yet they stretched it out to seven movies. Weak.
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It's a shame you didn't like it, I personally found it to be one of the best of the franchise and a perfect conclusion. If they make an 8 however, I'm calling bullshit.
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I have mixed reactions on the ending to the film. On the one hand, I like the IDEA that all the survivors ended up adopting the Jigsaw killer persona, becoming apprentices or mimics or whatever (depending on who they were trapped under; those who survived during Hoffman's era probably weren't apprentices per se). I can even accept Gordon being one of them, actually. But I felt it was executed poorly, and the open ending was just needless. It's a poor conclusion that rushed itself into an ending that could have been satisfying if there was more time focused on it. Instead, we followed some random guy who was basically irrelevant to Hoffman, Gordon, and Jill.
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I was so over the Saw franchise after the second one, in fact I wasn't that keen on the first one. I'm content to completely ignore they're existence for the foreseeable future.
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I'm glad I didn't bother with the SAW movies other than the first one ^^
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Sorry the movie was a let down for you.
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Only while watching this at school did I finally realize how vulgar Brad is!
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I think the series are overrated. First one was quite good. The second one was ok. The third one was ok. But after that it is just bullshit. The killers were all weak persons. I couldn't care less about them. And the most shitty part is the history change move with every sequel. It's almost like Forrest Gump. First the girl is the killer, after that the cops. And the story of the killer was finished after three movies. It is just a lot of torture. And that is just boring.
I can never believe that horror/porn movies will stop making sequels. This must be bullshit.
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Great review, Brad. I was impressed by how passionately you disliked the film.
Anyways, I could give a shit less about "Saw," or "Friday the 13th," or "Nightmare on Elm Street," or whatever. If you're movie has ten unrelated sequels, you suck. "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer," now THERE'S a slasher movie!
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The Saw movies never really made sense to me anyway. How the hell did they never catch Jigsaw? None of them were exactly subtle. It's almost like forensics don't exist! How do you get the supplies for those traps, anyway? Did John/Amanda/Hoffman/Gordon/the Cookie Monster just go to Home Depot and ask for as many hooks, chains, and shotguns as they could fit in their cart? Were there no records of this? How do the killers scout for locations? How do they get the traps into those locations? Do they build them there? How does no one ever notice the bizarre things happening in sewers and abandoned locations? How do these people who are forced to mutilate themselves not pass out from pain? Go into shock? Not die of infection from having things sewn into them in probably unsanitary conditions?
Hence why I didn't watch Saw past the first few. My brain just isn't wired for torture porn. :/
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"id John/Amanda/Hoffman/Gordon/the Cookie Monster just go to Home Depot and ask for as many hooks, chains, and shotguns as they could fit in their cart? Were there no records of this? How do the killers scout for locations? How do they get the traps into those locations? Do they build them there?"
Remember that scene in SAW 4 when Rigg goes to the hotel room, Art (Jill's lawyer) rented the room and putted the stuff inn there piece by piece, also Where he hot the hooks and stuff, he bought old factory and by the looks of it he probably got it all from junk yard, I mean you probably can find a load of stuff in Junk yards, even guns, hooks and other things.
and if you find that strange then ask your self how did the Joker get the explosives in the hospital unnoticed in The Dark Knight?
P.S. you must fix that name thing, I can't spell my name right!
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I liked the first one - but I only saw in once. When that "dead" body started getting up at the end, my heart almost stopped. Yikes! But, I've had not desire to see the others. I just don't approve of a movie series where the hero is a serial killer and the supposed "good guys" never seem to win. What is up with that?
But I LOVE the screen shot of Brad looking disgusted on the website. I'll just have to play this when I get home tonight. Ha!
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hey brad, great review of saw 3D. even though i loved it (lol i saw it twice. thats how much i loved it), i'm happy to see different opinions on it though. and yes i agree about costas mandylor, hes like rambo meets jason. lol. the only true complaint i have is the title. i prefer to call it VII not 3D.
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I agree all the way. That's why I prefer to call it "Saw VII".
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Well... I watched this movie last week, and at the end of the movie, I had one question (even I got distracted by clapping of others): if Mark Hoffman (Costas Mandylor) is such a (semi) super human as he killed so much people, aside from Jigsaw Trap (they are more douchous than ever since I understood the Jigsaw Trap's motto as "learn or die" which seems to be disregarded in saw 6 and 7), commando fashion, wouldn't Mark Hoffman overcome such flimsy chain? If he is the character with such will, he would bite off his ankle off just to make a machine gun totting robot (just as in Law abiding citizen) or missile with chemical warhead to finish off John Kramer for all I know and care!
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Bradley, ignore all of the opinions people say about this film and please do one thing.
Give Lloyd some glasses and have him do a review of Saw 3D, it was clear he had some strong feelings.
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oh I WILL fuck it hard..... so very hard.
highly passionate about your hatred for this movie.
if anything good came out of it, at least we got 19 minutes of this video. which I fount to be fun to hear your thoughts and opinions on the movie and the franchise itself.
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I thought the first one was actually genuinely good, the rest I enjoyed (I liked them, I don't know for sure if they're objectively good, but I like them), but this one didn't even rise to 'guilty pleasure' level.
And plus it seemed like a fan fiction. Everything about the Gordon twist had been speculated for years, and they just went with that. Which might've been OK, if they hadn't buried it under yet another pointless "game" storyline. That was tolerable in VI, because it was sort of funny how it was a healthcare CEO and they were playing that theme, but this one was pointless.
I definitely agree about the BS moments--they were all at least enjoyable before, in that guilty fun kinda way, but this one does it in the most boring and lazy way possible.
What a shame. Great review, though, you hit the nail on the head
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Erm Brad, you DID know that fans had been theorizing ever since the 2nd movie about Cary Elwes' character being behind most of the Jigsaw killings, right? I mean, really, just youtube "Dr. Gordon is alive" and see it for yourself.
This is what fans wanted all along. So they gave that to them.
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awesome vid,
love Lloyd in the background. you can tell he hated this movie too.
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I like the Saw films, James Wan and Leigh Whannell really did make a very interesting concept. Even Darren Lynn Bousman did a good job, but the later films seemed to focus on the complex philosophical issues that Jigsaw raises in his twisted morality, to a gore film that just wants to show hey look at this cool trap, the traps were the least interesting things about the movies, i enjoyed the twists and turns of the plot.
This movie is a wasted opportunity, instead of focusing on Jill Tuck and Hoffman and the detective who is investigating the crimes, they shove a plot that could have been avoided. Also Dr Gordon appearance is good, but the way is was handled was bad, this is really how it ends, really? I wish a Saw VIII is made to give this series a proper ending, one it deserves.
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Have to agree with everything. I saw it at the midnight show, and I was expecting a weak plot, overwhelmed by wanton destruction and elaborate traps. All I got from this movie was a headache from wearing those shitty RealD 3D glasses for two hours for maybe three scenes that it even SEEMED LIKE 3D, let alone improved the actual picture on the video.
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I liked A serbian film a lot more than any Saw movie. Torture porn is just fucking dumb, at least serbian film make it a lot more twisted.
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Here, found one of the many conspiracy vids from back on the day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUfM0mkJ-8
Read the comments. Best place to know about the history of SAW and even gives you a glimpse of how divided the fanbase has been from day one.
Some people liked Costas Mandylor, some other had begged for Cary Elwes to make a comeback. He finally did, guess which side of the fanbase was heard this time.
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Whats going on with Loyd? Why is he meowing?
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Spoiler duh.
Tradition. Yes. I only saw this because of tradition too. Friends can be a bitch.
In every Saw movie the "good guys" die or fail to escape the trap. In five(if I'm not mistaken) Hoffman kills off all the cops and thus killed my sense of Jigsaw justice: there are bad people that need to face reality in the harshest way.
Six confirmed this: In the beginning of the "story" game a janitor who smokes dies simply because he smokes. Really? Couldn't hold his breath? Should that be a death sentence?
This one had the same problem. I won't discuss the end as you did. But I will say that (again spoilers so I'll tell you that my mom was pretty hot in her High School Year Book to give you time to look away) someone really really undeserving of the usual outcome of a game dies. Horribly. It kinda pissed on the first movie's notion that a person in a game would appreciate life better. Like Dr. Gordon did after the first movie.
Spoil spoil spoil
What was the point of the first Saw movie if Dr. Gordon didn't go on to live the happy life that "Jigsaw" wanted him to have?
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Hey Brad, on the small chance you read this and even have anything resembling time to give it some thought, how would YOU have ended the series then, if I may ask?
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What are the whistling noises in the background at 3:20-4:00?
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The funny thing is. They've been planning to have Dr Gordon be one of Jigsaw's helpers all along. There are plenty of videos on YouTube that I found last year of people figuring out the writers' plans.
Doesn't change the fact it's BS, though.
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Actually, as much as I agree that it didnt make sense WHY Gordon would want to help Jigsaw..hints about him being his sidekick ware all over previous parts of the series so being fan of the series myself i WAS pissed bout this ending...but not because it was bullshit, but because i knew it would end like that.
And as for the Hoffman, im extremally glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's badass...cuz all of the Saw reviews ive read/seen always pointed out how amazingly BAD Costas Mandylor is in these movies.
Awesome vid, keep up the Awesome work Brad.
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I'm actually a bit surprised, now that I think about it. If you're such a big Costas Mandylor mark... why haven't you reviewed Gangland yet?
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Dude, how can you side with Hoffman? That guy's an asshole! He goes against everything the old Jigsaw was. But you are right, that movie was terrible. Oh well, atleast you didn't watch all the movies in one day like my dumb ass did:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3CC6294CC66FA57B
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Eh...sounds better than the ending of every other Saw film. I never saw the appeal of the Saw series. It wasn't bad enough for me to be entertained in a shlocky way, but it's bad enough that I couldn't appreciate it on it's own merits. Sure, it's fun to see the traps and whatnot, but the plot is awful and the characters are hardly believable. The first film was mediocre and every subsequent film has been worse.
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I have to disagree about the ending. Was it bad? Yeah, kinda. But I don't think that Costas Mandylor getting away would have been better. I mean...do we really need to see Jigsaw absolutely win and get away and be invincible AGAIN?!? I didn't care about the stupid plot points, I didn't even care about the torture, I just wanted to see, for ONE saw movie, for the current Jigsaw to not win absolutely. I also wanted one person to actually survive EVER, but I knew that wasn't going to happen. I hated the Saws because they're so predictable. This movie was the first since the first to differ from my expectations.
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I agree with you Brad. I felt there was no reason why the whole movie shouldn't have just been about Costas Mandylor being awesome and stalking Jill. Or not even that much, just the main story ark throughout the whole movie, i don't need to see another random go through this maze of tests, i was tired of it after part 4 seriously. Maybe if you had a closure too: he didn't die, what happened to him? I would've liked to see someone win the game and see something or go someplace that no one has seen before. Or end up mattering in the story.
I'd like to see the police ACTUALLY do something other than stay two steps behind and die. I'd like to see someone out-smart Jigsaw. Most of all, i want you to bring back Danny Glover damnit!
I mean this is supposedly the last one, it's time to cut the bullshit and throw us a bone here. I wish they kept the survival of Cary Elwes a secret RIGHT to the very end when he shows up under the mask. Then you can show that pointless scene of him in the beginning. Usually in saw movies there are quite a bit of things resolved and a twist ending but it seems like they resolved everything in 6 and in 7 they just did one little bullshit twist.
If Gordon was alive, why didn't he go back for Adam? Why is the blood all pink and bright?
anyways i've been rambling but i agree with you, Brad, it was a let-down.
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